No Jokes from the Pulpit, Please

It is often said that to maintain cordial relations with most people, two topics should be avoided: religion and politics. Alas, this story has some of both.

In 1978, while living in Durham, North Carolina I frequently attended services at a prominent Presbyterian church. What I most clearly remember is the pastor. Tall and somewhat gregarious, he had the habit of telling jokes and funny stories during his sermons. This seemed to go over well, as laughter rocked the joint. The guy wanted belly laughs, and he got them.

I was back in Texas the next year, residing in Denton. The red-brick church I usually attended was St. Andrew Presbyterian. Every Sunday morning, the pastor, desiring to loosen up his congregation (did he think we were bored or about to doze off?), made a few quips. Most of the people were willing to laugh, and so they did. It was sort of a Pavlov's dog thing: quip, laugh, quip, laugh.

In the 1990s and the first seven years of the present century, I often went to St. David’s Episcopal Church in the heart of downtown Austin. It, too, was a large and historic house of worship. The main pastor then, David Boyd, could not resist the temptation of using levity. Again, my fellow attendees did the old yuk-yuk. That David, what a comedian!

I hate to sound like a dour person who lacks a sense of humor (or an arch-conservative, for that matter), but there is a time and place for everything. If these pastors in Durham, Denton and Austin wanted to do stand-up comedy, they should have gone out on the circuit with Lenny Bruce, Dick Gregory, Woody Allen, Richard Pryor, Steve Martin and Robin Williams. After all, why masquerade as a man of the cloth if what you really want to do is tell jokes? I wonder whether they learned such stuff in theology school; maybe Comedy 101 was part of the curriculum.

Now—please forgive the disjointed chronology—let’s jump back to the 1960s. I was an elementary and junior high school boy who followed my parents' directives. Members of Casa Linda Presbyterian Church in Dallas, every week we went to Sunday School followed by the actual church services.

(Before proceeding with the main story, I have to recollect baseball at Casa Linda. It was part of the White Rock Churches Athletic Association, essentially a league for church baseball teams in that area. My guess is that there were 20 members. We wore heavy flannel uniforms and played at Norbuck, Winfrey Point, McCree and other diamonds in east Dallas. Teammates I remember well are Charles Harrell, Buddy Van Dusen and his brother Dennis [their father, Charles, coached us], Kevin Nietmann and Mike Gregory.)

At that time, I had not heard of the terms “high church” and “low church.” The latter is somewhat pejorative, connoting less attention to matters of doctrine, ritual and other accoutrements of Christianity. The Casa Linda of those days had to be considered high church. When the congregation stood and recited the Apostles’ Creed (“We believe in God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead and buried. He descended into hell. On the third day, He rose again from the dead. He ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God, the Father Almighty. From thence, He will come to judge the quick and the dead. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen.”), it was serious stuff. I have no memory of the pastor, Billy Tom McDaniel, ever cracking wise.

Who were those Sunday School teachers at Casa Linda, and what motivated them? If I could go back in time, I would thank every single one. Due mostly to them, I got a decent grounding in the Christian faith. Then came the time, around eighth grade, when we were informed that we would have to take a series of classes culminating in a confirmation ceremony, not unlike what the Catholics did. There was no snickering  or grumbling. All of us seemed to understand that it was not a frivolous matter. None refused or dropped out, as I recall.

I was not informed of the reasons for my family’s departure from Casa Linda circa 1968, but suddenly our membership had been changed to St. Mark Presbyterian—adjacent to Bryan Adams High School. Only much later did I learn of a major schism that had taken place at Casa Linda. It was a 15-year battle that pertained to matters of style as well as substance—a variation of the old high-church/low-church theme. Since I was not there, I will not pretend to know the details. The story was played out in the newspapers and in the courts, and the “liberal” group  finally prevailed. About 120 members, including the Penningtons, switched to St. Mark, and another, more fundamental group, created New Covenant Presbyterian Church in the same area.

St. Mark was a bit more informal than our old church. I think we continued to recite the Apostles’ Creed every Sunday, but the place had a relaxed air. Should there have been stronger emphasis on sin, damnation and the fires of hell? Some people like that stuff. As for our old church, the buildings still exist, but things are quite different. The name has been changed to White Rock Community Church, and its 700-member congregation consists primarily of gays and lesbians.

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  • Boyd London Posted November 25, 2025 1:54 pm

    Sin, damnation, and the fires of hell are simply consequences of not believing. I am not a believer of teaching Christianity in that manner. I prefer the positive.

    The Bible gives us the Romans road to salvation. The first verse on the Romans Road to salvation is Romans 3:23, “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.” We have all sinned. We have all done things that are displeasing to God. There is no one who is innocent. Romans 3:10-18 gives a detailed picture of what sin looks like in our lives.

    The second Scripture on the Romans Road to salvation, Romans 6:23a, teaches us about the consequences of sin: “For the wages of sin is death.” The punishment that we have earned for our sins is death. Not just physical death, but eternal death!

    The third verse on the Romans Road to salvation picks up in the middle of Romans 6:23b: “But the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Romans 5:8 declares, “But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Jesus Christ died for us! Jesus’ death paid for the price of our sins. Jesus’ resurrection proves that God accepted Jesus’ death as the payment for our sins.

    The fourth stop on the Romans Road to salvation is Romans 10:9, “That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.” Because of Jesus’ death on our behalf, all we need to do is believe in Him, trusting His death as the payment for our sins – and we will be saved! Romans 10:13 says it again, “for everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” Jesus died to pay the penalty for our sins and rescue us from eternal death. Salvation, the forgiveness of sins, is available to anyone who will trust in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

    The final aspect of the Romans Road to salvation are the results of salvation. Romans 5:1 has this wonderful message: “Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.” Through Jesus Christ we can have a relationship of peace with God. Romans 8:1 says, “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.” Because of Jesus’ death on our behalf, we will never be condemned for our sins. Finally, we have this precious promise of God from Romans 8:38-39: “For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.” The old Testament also perfectly summarizes the future arrival of Christ.

    I can say personally that I did not learn this in a Presbyterian church. I learned it by listening carefully, talking to my wife, listening to the late Frank Pollard’s sermons in Shiloh Terrace Baptist Church, Sunday school lessons, and other fellow believers. I then began a Bible study that is stitching together the loose ends that are in my mind. It all leads back to the book of Romans. I am literally a late arrival to the pursuit.

    I have found that group study is key to better understanding The Bible. Literally a verse at a time. Wherever in The Bible one begins, the key is to begin, then be diligent in the pursuit of Biblical knowledge.

    What is interesting about The Bible is it is an account told by different men over give or take 100 years. Although the wording may be different, the meaning of these words line up perfectly in every one of these men’s accounts. In addition, accounts are recorded in countries surrounding Israel. For instance, it is believed that The Three Kings that came to pay tribute to Jesus came from the Orient.

    The Bible is inerrant. Believe and pursue knowledge. It is fascinating and will change our lives. Most important it will give us peace. The book or Romans sums it up perfectly.

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